Emily Fletcher: The mind is electric, the heart is magnetic, and together they create this
electromagnetic field. When you access the field, you get access to what you want. So what is
the field? Pure creative potential. When you get your whole body in coherence and pointed
towards what you want, it makes the manifestations so much more clear.

Kate Northrup: You’re already manifesting all the time. The question is, from where? Most
people, when they’re not getting what they want in their external reality, they think harder, work
more hours, try harder, and it’s very frustrating. But, actually, all of our manifestations,
everything in the seen world, in the visible, first begins in the unseen, in the invisible. And when
you learn how to tap into the invisible, otherwise known as the field, you can get everything you
want.

And not only everything that you want, but everything that is good for the planet. You can learn
how during a mind blowing three day free workshop coming up that my friend, Emily Fletcher, is
leading. Emily has spent over eighteen years at the intersection of ancient spirituality and
modern neuroscience. And this event, magic maker, is going to unlock the intersection between
the unseen and the seen, and you will learn manifestation techniques that will blow you open in
terms of what is possible for you and for everyone you touch. Head over to
katenorthrup.com/magic to reserve your free spot.

The link is also in the show notes. Katenorthrup.com/magic. Welcome to Plenty, a weekly
recalibration of power, money, and safety for high capacity humans. I’m Kate Northrup, best
selling author and creator of Relaxed Money, and this is where neuroscience meets ancient
wisdom meets real wealth strategy. Strategy.

This is the sacred conversation at the intersection of money, the body, and the life you’re truly
here to live. If you’re ready to reimagine what’s possible for yourself and for the world, you’re in
the right place. Let’s go. Hi, Emily. Hi, Kate Northrup.

Welcome to Plenty.

Emily Fletcher: I’m so happy to be here.

Kate Northrup: So happy to have you here. This is so fun.

Emily Fletcher: It’s already so fun. It’s

Kate Northrup: and we’ve just begun. Okay. We’re we’re kicking off with a story about
raspberry lime spindrift.

Emily Fletcher: We are. Start. Okay. So Tell me. Well, Mike, your amazing husband just said I
was gonna go eat water.

I didn’t wanna go upstairs, so I brought you raspberry lime spindrift. Just now, as I was walking
in, I was praying, I was calling in my guides, just like offering a prayer that this go for the highest
timeline and for the good of all. And then I walk in and there’s raspberry lime spindrift. You know
a lot of people are like eleven eleven are my angel numbers. I feel like raspberry lime spindrift is
my angel sign, And here’s why.

A few years ago, I moved and I left New York City. I left Regina, Tamazar, my roommate, my
nanny, my dog died, my son got sick, my main revenue source at Ziva went to zero, like I had a
big rupture, like it was like everything that I I broke up with my boyfriend, like everything that I
loved about my life was dying simultaneously, it was very challenging. And I sort of was moving
non consensually, like I was moving to a place and at a time that I didn’t feel like I was choosing,
which is not great. Like something could be great if you choose it and not great if you don’t.
Anyway, I get to the house, the movers, I was gonna practice like my real feminine magnetism,
like my real feminine embodiment.

And on the move, had hired packers, movers, unpackers. I was just gonna practice like having a
robe and laying on a chaise lounge and being like, oh, I I don’t even know where a screwdriver
is. I couldn’t possibly help. I was really gonna try it on. It’s not my forte.

And then the movers like out damseled me. They just didn’t show. Like they didn’t show to pack
a very large apartment. And I kept calling and I said I don’t think you understand like the size
and scope of this job. We really need someone here the day before the move to pack, like we
can do it all tomorrow.

They show up, it was a big job, they pack, we move, we don’t arrive at my new house until one
in the morning. We have 250 boxes, these poor men have to drive back to New York City and
move someone at seven in the morning. So they leave. I’m now in the woods, in the suburbs,
non consensually, alone with 200 boxes, feeling like my entire life is being destroyed, crying my
eyes out. And I open up the refrigerator, and it’s empty.

And there is one singular raspberry lime spindrift in this refrigerator. And I knew in that moment
that I was gonna be okay. I knew in that moment that my guides were with me, my angels were
with me, and then cut to and I I’m so, like, really, it’s just raspberry lime spindrift is really it’s like
the one thing I’m addicted to on the planet. I mean, kind of social media, but I’m working on it.
But I love raspberry lime spindrift, and here it is.

Kate Northrup: Wow. Yeah. I know Mike walked in with a pink fizzy beverage, and I was like,
she said she wanted flat water. And he was like, well

Emily Fletcher: This is what she’s getting.

Kate Northrup: Getting us he goes, well, she’s getting a surprise.

Emily Fletcher: Well, the angels have spoken. That’s amazing.

Kate Northrup: That’s really fun.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. I love that. The tiny addendum to that is that I I reached out because I
was gonna drop my stuff and just go to a girls weekend that weekend, And I WhatsApp them,
and I was like, Mayday. Like, I’m help I need help. And so they were all like, we’ll stop on our
way up to the farm, and we’ll help you unpack.

And I was like, great. So six of my friends walk in. The last person that walks in is a woman
named Sadhvi ji, who is an extraordinary, like, nun, and she runs the ashram in Rishikesh, India,
which is where I started my meditation teacher training in 2007. She lives in Rishikesh. She did
not know I didn’t know she was in town.

She shows up in my house. The woman who runs the ashram where I started my meditation
teacher training like almost twenty years ago is unpacking boxes in my kitchen. And again I was
like, I’m I’m gonna be fine.

Kate Northrup: Wow. It was a real high five from nature. So beautiful. I wanna know. As an
expert and practitioner in meditation and manifesting in the way this those two support one
another, which we’re gonna get into, do you think that when we manifest things like raspberry
lime spindrift or this amazing woman unpacking your boxes, that we are actually calling them in
because we’ve decided we want them, or do you think that we decide we want things and we
begin to receive a frequency that was always there and playing for us, and we just learned to
tune into it.

So we want the thing that was already available for us, but we didn’t as much

Emily Fletcher: What an amazing question. Actually, I I have a whole chapter about this in my
in my book. Not to plug it, but it’s It’s a great book. I mean,

Kate Northrup: it’s a great book.

Emily Fletcher: It’s stress less, accomplish more. Mhmm. But there is an idea that that
manifestations are like the metaphor that we use is like the the breeze in the subway tunnel
when the train is on the way. You know, you can feel that the train is coming before you can
hear it and before you can see it, you feel the air being pushed by the train and that the desires
are actually an indicator of what nature wants you to Like I believe that our desires are very
much divinely inspired. Yeah.

And where this requires a level of mastery is that if you don’t have a means by which to plug
yourself into the divine, you don’t have a means by which to let your body feel safe and whole
and nourished and fulfilled, then it’s very hard to tell the difference between an addictive longing
and an intuitive desire. Yeah. And an addictive longing is the is the idea that I could somehow fill
myself up internally from an external source which is always a fallacy which is different than I
am filled up from source, I am whole, I am safe, I am plugged into divine and I still wanna sleep
with that guy.

Kate Northrup: I still wanna make a million dollars.

Emily Fletcher: Why? And I would argue that those are divinely inspired desires because that’s
an indicator of where nature wants you to go and deliver your fulfillment to the world and not
where you’re going to fill yourself up and those are absolutely I think it’s the wind is preceding
the desire. Nature wants you to have it. But in the case of the spindrift, because it neither bring

Kate Northrup: it back to the important part,

Emily Fletcher: it’s raspberry lime spindrift. In in neither of those cases was I like, please God,
bring me a raspberry lime spindrift. It wasn’t like it wasn’t even something I was manifesting. It
was more of just a high five from nature. It was an indicator of like, pay attention, we’re with you.
You’re on track. Yeah. You’re on track.

Kate Northrup: You’re on track and you’re okay.

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm.

Kate Northrup: More than okay. Yeah. Wrote a newsletter this week for Notes of Plenty about
this weekend. I went to the American Girl store, and I found myself in tears in the book section
because it’s their fortieth anniversary this year. And Pleasant what was her last name?
Doesn’t matter. I mean, it does matter. But, anyway, the woman who started it, her name is
Pleasant. Okay. And she started it as the Pleasant Company, and she sold these American Girl
dolls that eventually became the American Girl Company.

And did you play with those dolls growing up?

Emily Fletcher: Mm-mm. Okay. More of a Cabbage Patch Kid Mist.

Kate Northrup: Okay. I love that. I love that. I was both. Okay.
But I was, like, deep in American Girl Company. So she started the company after she was
already an incredibly successful textbook writer, and she invested $1,200,000 of her own
money, which was in 1986 that was so much bore. She was a 45 year old woman woman, no
children, had created this great success for herself. And she did it, because she was shopping
for one of her nieces, and she wanted to get her a doll. And the only thing available in the early
eighties was little mommy dolls or baby dolls.

So she was finding that the only thing available were reflections of little girls become moms, and
that’s what you’ve got on your Menu. Menu. And she was like, I’m out here as this successful,
you know, textbook writer. I’ve got these friends who are doing this, this, and this. We have to
start giving girls something else Yeah.

To dream of. Yeah. And her life I was in tears because I was reading their fortieth anniversary
book about the start of the company and how she wanted girls to feel valued for who they are
now, not just for who they could become, but, like, really that their lives matter. And I was
reflecting on, like, how that impacted me and my sister and sparked our imagination, and now
my girls are in there, like, whatever. And so I’m oh, that seems like a bit of a tangent, which it is,
but it’s a great example of she was whole and complete and then had this download while
shopping.

She had this genuine feeling of, like, there’s something missing in the market. Yes. I’m gonna fill
this need. Yes. Not because of desperation, not out of addiction, not out of I am not complete or
I am not whole.

Mhmm. And then the impact of her legacy is still echoing. She’s still alive doing her thing,
renovating houses. She’s like a total badass, but she sold the company to Mattel, like, in 1996.
And it’s still reverberating because it was part of her destiny.

It was part of the mark she was meant to leave in the world. And I’m thinking about that. You
know, you work with all sorts of people, but primarily high achievers.

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm.

Kate Northrup: You know? And and high achievers are there’s two layers of the same coin, two
sides of the same coin. And I want you to speak about this. It’s not gonna be so much of a
question as a prompt. So the prompt is the following.

Emily Fletcher: Just be your AI. I’ll be your

Kate Northrup: amplified intelligence prompt making award winning. Meditation and
manifestation expert rooted in the ancient Vedic texts Mhmm. Who used to be a showgirl. No.

Okay.

So I want you to talk to me about the double edge, the two sides of the same coin of high
achievement, and what drives us. One side of that coin being I think that so much of
achievement is rooted as a trauma response and performance around being raised in an
environment that had high pressure associated with achievement. And, like, if I stay busy and if
I stay in movement and if I achieve, I will be safe and I will be whole. And loved. And loved.
And finally feel like enough, which, of course, we know that there’s no there there. And then but
the other side of the coin is, like, Pleasant Rowland is her last name. Rowland. Rowland. I don’t
know her.

I really know very little about her. So who knows? But my sense is that there was, like, a real
drive and a call for the betterment of humanity. How do you think for each one of us, we can
walk that knife edge between where am I performing because this is a trauma response? Where
am I achieving out of lack?

And where am I driven to make my imprint in the world because it’s my divine job to do in this
lifetime?

Emily Fletcher: Such a beautiful question that I think so many people are really sitting with right
now because it it really matters. And what I’m finding for myself is that I could take the exact
same action. I could take the exact same action, do the exact same amount of things in a day a
week, have the exact same launch plan. But if there is a piece of me that is proving, if there’s a
piece of me that feels unworthy, if there’s a piece of me that feels like, well, I could just achieve
this and then I will be happy, if I could just acquire this and then I will feel like I’m enough, that
that frequency infiltrates the entirety of every action that I’m taking. And again, same action,
same amount on my calendar, same launch plan.

Kate Northrup: And to someone else it would look identical.

Emily Fletcher: Yep. So at the outside it looks identical. But if inside of me I feel whole, I feel
confident, I feel proud, and I feel like I am in service to the people that I’m serving and perhaps
more importantly in service to the dharmic download just like this woman got the download in
the store, which download I know that word gets used a lot but it’s like a it’s a It feels. It’s like a
paper airplane from It’s a it’s something that comes in from the unseen realms that wants to be
made manifest through you. And in that case, you are getting a directive from your boss, which
is God Goddess from capital n nature, capital u universe.

And so if you are doing that in service of the divine assignment and you’re doing it from a place
of wholeness and again contributing your fulfillment to the need of the time versus taking your
need to be fulfilled on the other side of the achievement, then that to me is is the change. And I
think it fluctuates moment over moment, hour over hour, day over day. And I mean at least for
me it does, you know? Like one day I feel super fulfilled, super on mission, super in service, and
the next day I feel like I’m not enough and I do have to prove and I will be happy on the other
side of something. And that’s why just like you exercise every day, you don’t exercise once a
month, you have to exercise every day.

Or

Kate Northrup: you know, it’s like your muscles, you

Emily Fletcher: want muscles to grow, you keep working them.

Kate Northrup: Or at least just stay how they are.

Emily Fletcher: Okay. We could have a different podcast about perimenopause.

Kate Northrup: Oh, good. Let’s talk about muscle mass. No. Okay.

Emily Fletcher: But it’s the same with spiritual practice. It’s like that’s why it’s a practice. Have
to meditate every day. Every day.

Kate Northrup: Have to

Emily Fletcher: be into manifestation every day. Twice. That’s right. And you have to meditate

Kate Northrup: twice. Twice. Last night Yeah. You rolled up at my house late at night, and you
were eating pho at my kitchen island, and we were talking about the field. And you have a
fundamental core knowing about the field.

And I’d love for you to share, a, what is the field? Mhmm. B, why does it matter? Mhmm. And c,
how can we access it for our own highest good and for the highest good of the planet?

Yes.

Emily Fletcher: Okay. So the fundamental belief. My answer is yes. Yes.

Kate Northrup: Next question. Got that? By the

Emily Fletcher: way, my new life goal is to make Kate Northrup pee your

Kate Northrup: pants every time we hang out. Also, it’s only my second time on the show. Last
time I was here, was very, very sick.

Emily Fletcher: I just got off a cruise ship, and I think I had some sort of, like, norovirus or
something.

Kate Northrup: So I’m just so glad that we could laugh now because last time every time I
laughed, I started hacking on my lungs. We did laugh really hard last time, but you were
coughing. This time, it’s better. It. It’s a whole adventure.

Okay.

Emily Fletcher: So my core belief about the field is that when you access the field, you get
access to what you want. When you access the field, you get access to what you want. So what
is the field? The field is what I call it it’s what I call the bliss field or the quantum realm. It’s the
field of infinite potentiality, pure creative potential.

It’s where we go in the depths of meditation. It’s where we go in the middle of the massage
when the person’s like are you asleep? You’re like, well I heard you say that but I’m not awake.
It’s where you go right before you go to sleep. It’s where you go when you’re sometimes in
medicine space.

It’s like the liminal space between the absolute of of the realm of all that is and this gross
manifest layer. And

Kate Northrup: This gross manifest layer being like, here we are Like the three d physical
reality. Studio. Here’s a lamp.

Emily Fletcher: Yep. This is just a three d chair. Here’s a microphone. Right. This three d
reality.

Like, things that come into the manifest

Kate Northrup: Mhmm.

Emily Fletcher: Versus the unmanifest. And another way to say this, my belief, is that if you
want to manifest, you first have to access the unmanifest. And a lot of people are talking about
meditation, and a lot of people are talking about manifesting. And I really have found after
twenty years of teaching this that they are two sides of the same coin. That in order to create
and shift your reality, you really have to go into the non reality or what we would say in Sanskrit
is the Akashic realm.

So kash is the matter, and in Sanskrit a is negating. So akash or akasha is antimatter. It’s like
the black hole, which is by the way what every woman has inside of her in her womb space,
which is this black hole, this vortex of pure creative potentiality.

Kate Northrup: The nothingness where everything comes from.

Emily Fletcher: Yes. The nothingness where everything comes from. And you and I have really
like connected on this. Right? Like this is like in Egypt as we were preparing for Egypt, like there
was and it was actually, was a real moment for me when we were preparing for Egypt when I
discovered that Isis, was my girl, this like Egyptian goddess of motherhood and manifestation
and magic and pleasure has a twin sister that I didn’t know about and her twin sister is the
goddess of the unseen realms.

And that was really where I had this light bulb moment where was like, wait, I’ve only ever been
teaching one thing. I’m teaching people how to go into the unmanifest so that they can manifest
what they want, so they can manifest and embody heaven on earth. And so as I’ve been
nerding out on this over the past year or so, the quantum field is basically, it’s 99.99999 of all
that is. The universe, our bodies, every cell, every atom, every subatomic atom has much more
space than matter.

Kate Northrup: And is that space the same thing as energy or is it just space?

Emily Fletcher: I don’t know. I don’t that’s above my pay grade. Okay.

Kate Northrup: Me too. That’s why I asked the question, so we’ll follow-up.

Emily Fletcher: Okay.

Kate Northrup: I’ll just research that later. I mean, think it’s the same thing, but I don’t know if
there’s a difference between space and energy.

Emily Fletcher: I mean, I could answer that from, like, a Vedic perspective if you wanted to talk
about, like, the masculine and feminine because oftentimes Right. That is like, what the Vedas
do really well is that they anthropomorphize these sort of quantum physical energies and and
entities. And so, you know, in in like the simplest form, it would be like the masculine and
feminine would be Shiva and Shakti. Right? Shiva being masculine, Shakti being feminine.
And the way we would talk about that is that the Shiva is a pure consciousness or pure light,
energy and then shakti is the feminine that organizes that into creation. Takes the pure raw
antimatter and then turns it into a chair or a microphone or a lamp or a baby. But that’s what the
feminine does. It organizes pure potentiality into the manifest form. I just did a master class last
week.

We took a group of folks to Greece on a pilgrimage and Leila Martin, our friend, came in and did
a guest teaching and she talked about masculine and feminine in a way that I’d never heard of
before that I think you’re gonna love. And she said that there was two words I had not heard of
before, two Sanskrit words, but the masculine is again this like pure white light of energy, and
that the feminine that part of the role of the feminine is the hide and seek. It’s it’s the it’s the
forgetting in order to remember. It’s the like going into the unseen realms to come back into the
seen realms. And I had never thought about like that.

Kate Northrup: Persephone Yes. And Demeter and Hades. Yep. I wanted to say diameter, and
I was like, that’s not the

Emily Fletcher: right word. Demeter. Or as I learned when I was just in Greece, demitra. Oh,
It’s how she said Persephone and

Kate Northrup: Demetra. Oh, yes. Okay.

Emily Fletcher: And for people who are not familiar with that myth, it’s that Demetra or
Demeter, her daughter Persephone, some people say she was taken by Hades into the
underworld, some people say that she fell in love with Hades. But when she went into the
underworld Demeter was devastated and started crying and the whole world fell into winter. And
then she made a deal with Hades to where Persephone could come back for half of the year.
And so when Persephone comes back up into the earth, that’s when spring and summer arrives
and there is this creation and there’s plenty and this abundance and these colors and then
there’s the harvest and then she descends back down. And this really is the role of the feminine,
right?

It’s cyclical and we go into grief and into the embodiment and into the darkness and we compost
all of those tough feelings to make the fertile soil to plant the seeds for our dreams to manifest
into spring and into the harvest. And without that cycle, and this is what I think we’re seeing on
the planet is sort of this up into the left, 45 degree angle always be achieving, always be
accomplishing, which is I think actually answering your original question. And I think that that is
actually a, it’s a product or a symptom of patriarchy and of an unhealed masculine where we
think we just always have to be producing, always have to be achieving, always have to be
growing, always have to be accelerating versus am I a high performer or not? Because there’s a
way to be a high performer and be cyclical and feminine and go into the unmanifest. Mean,
that’s what so much of your work

Kate Northrup: is about. Yeah. In fact, for my own self, I’ll just speak for myself, incorporating
phases of cyclical rest has been critical for high performance. It’s enhanced Mhmm. The
performance in our revenue cycles.

Mhmm. It has enhanced my physical performance. Mhmm. It’s certainly enhanced, you know,
mothering, finances, all of those things. Like, even, you know, even if we take the metaphor also
real of financial markets.

Right? Like, you can’t be constantly messing with your investments. You just gotta put the
money in

Emily Fletcher: Ugh.

Kate Northrup: And go do something else Yeah.

Emily Fletcher: And let it Let it grow.

Kate Northrup: Ride the cycles, and over time, it grows. But if you keep an eye on it every day,
there’s a lot of up and down, and that’s right. But you need to just, like, rest your attention and
go elsewhere. Let it

Emily Fletcher: just lie.

Kate Northrup: And then it does it does grow. It does perform over time every time.

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm. You know? And that’s what that’s really what the meditation is doing.
Like, and I think a lot of people don’t like, know that word meditation also gets very overused
and a lot of people don’t or a lot of people think that it means, like, an app or a YouTube video or
someone guiding you through a breath work exercise, which are all lovely, but I just teach a
very, very specific style of meditation where you’re accessing a verifiable fourth state of
consciousness and where your body is getting rest that’s actually five times deeper than sleep.

Kate Northrup: Oh, yeah. Which I wanted to ask you about Mhmm. Which is the perfect
connection. When you’re accessing the field, which I think is what you’re describing right now

Emily Fletcher: Yep.

Kate Northrup: What can you describe what’s going on with your brain? What would we see

Emily Fletcher: Yes.

Kate Northrup: On a brain scan when someone is in fact connected to the field?

Emily Fletcher: Great question. So you are getting this rest, right, that’s like five times deeper
than sleep. And the way that they know that is that your metabolic rate drops precipitously within
thirty to forty five seconds of practicing this style of meditation, which means not that you’re
gonna gain weight but rather that you’re breathing slow. You’re like wait a minute.

Kate Northrup: It’s really good that you said that. Unsubscribe. I would forget to tell you how to
slow down your metabolism. Click here. Meditation.com, kids, if you wanna slow that shit down.

Emily Fletcher: Says a woman with like

Kate Northrup: the fastest metabolism on You’re the you’re you’re burning. We have no
question. You’re like, which is why it’s so perfect that you actually teach this because I need it.
You’re not someone I experience as fundamentally calm, and I mean that as a compliment. And
so but I I say that for people who worry that they It’s

Emily Fletcher: gonna make them boring.

Kate Northrup: Meditate Mhmm. That it’s gonna be boring, that it’s gonna somehow, like, take
their edge away if they get off on being a little hyper. Right? Like, so talk to us about what’s
going on in the brain when the metabolism slows down and why that’s okay.

Emily Fletcher: So when I say your metabolic rate slows down, I really just mean your
breathing slows. So like you you start to feel almost like you’re barely breathing, your heart rate
slows, your body temperature cools, and that’s the phenomenon by which I mean the body’s
getting rest that’s five times deeper than sleep. And that’s really important because it is that
deep healing rest that allows the body to heal the lifetime of stresses that we’ve all been
accumulating. And it is the eradication of that backlog of stresses from the cells that naturally
ushers us into higher and higher states of consciousness which is what allows us to interact with
the field in a different way, to do less and accomplish more. So what’s happening on the brain
though is that when you’re in this fourth state of consciousness, like if you were to hook your
brain up to an EEG machine which is electroencephalography hardware, there’s like eight
classic points on the left brain and eight classic points on the right.

And usually in waking, sleeping, and even dreaming states of consciousness, the right and left
hemispheres of the brain are doing their own thing. In this particular state of consciousness you
access, when you’re accessing the field through this type of meditation, all 16 leads of EEG rise
and fall in unison. So you really the you know, people talk about coherence a lot. Yeah. This is
exactly what that means.

Kate Northrup: So it’s like the orchestra Yeah. Which was all sort of playing a different song
Yes. All of a sudden is now playing the same song

Emily Fletcher: Yes.

Kate Northrup: In perfect harmony.

Emily Fletcher: Yes. The conductor goes tap tap tap tap tap. And They go in unison. So
beautiful. And so then you have your left side which is your feminine side, your right side which
is your masculine side now working together.

The left side which is creativity, the right side which is strategy, the past and future, present
moment, all of these working in unison. Also what happens is a byproduct of that coherence is
that you strengthen something called corpus callosum which is the only thing that connects the
right and left hemispheres of our brain. Otherwise they are separate instruments. There’s like
one little segment and they’ve seen on the brains of meditators that the corpus callosum gets
like 18% larger than non meditators within sometimes weeks, which is like this super highway of
coherence and creativity. The other thing that happens if you were just scanning like the
electromagnetic signals of the brain, it looks very similar to someone on mushrooms.
And so mushrooms, know, it’s this ancient like fungus, the mycelial, they call them the ancient
teachers, the little saints, the little teachers. And when the brain is on mycelium, the whole brain
lights up versus just like, oh, I’m in fear or in critical thinking or I’m in executive function where
one part of the brain is really focused with how much electricity and light is going there. But
when a brain is on mushrooms or meditation, the whole brain lights up. So again, you have not
just this coherence but an increase in creative capacity because you start firing on all cylinders.

What happens as a result of all those brain things in your body?

The brain, your consciousness is responsible for every single decision you make and also
printing every single cell in your body. So if you have a mind of stress, it cannot help but print
cells of stress. Same thing, if you create bliss chemistry in your mind with dopamine and
serotonin, then you start to have the body of bliss. And they’ve done studies on this like if you
were to like put someone to a fight or flight response, know within thirty seconds your blood will
fill with adrenaline and cortisol which are acidic and can actually increase aging. Within I think
seven to fourteen minutes the most viscous liquid in your body which is your bone marrow, you
will start to have the marrow of stress.

So within seconds it’s in your blood, within minutes it goes all the way into your marrow. Well the
same thing is true of meditation. Within seconds you start to have the blood of bliss and within
minutes your marrow, your actual bones start to change into being more alkaline. And over time
that really matters. I’m coming up on my twenty year anniversary of meditating every day pretty
much twice a day and while it is not like taken off my edge or slowed me down as a human, it
has given me these little pockets of integration, these little pockets of rest, these little pockets of
coherence which actually from the deep rest that I get in the meditation it makes me more
awake in my waking state.

It gives me more energy in the rest of my day and then also the ability to like digest. Like you’re
literally resting and digesting so that I can receive more, so that I can like devour and savor
more of the wild delights that it is to be a human.

Kate Northrup: What does meditation have to do with manifesting? I mean I could write a
whole book on this. And you will. I will. I have no doubt.

Emily Fletcher: So I really believe that it if you want what you want, if you would like actually
manifest the thing that you desire, the person, the body, the money, the business, and it’s it’s so
much easier, it’s so much more fun and it’s so much more effective if you are willing to first go
into the unmanifest. If you are willing to first meditate, access the field of infinite potentiality and
then from that place then ask the question, what would I love? What would I love to manifest?
What’s happening is that you’re not just accessing the field, which is important because again,
99.999% of everything that is is happening in the unseen realms. But what you’re also doing
through everything that we just talked about, the coherence in your brain, the coherence in your
body, you’re changing your field.

You’re shifting your electromagnetic field, right? The mind is electric, the heart is magnetic and
together they create this electromagnetic field. I would also argue that you wanna get your hoo
online which is our root, which is really the generator and the magnet of the body. And when you
get your whole body in coherence and pointed towards what you want and when you do that
from a state of bliss, fulfillment, coherence which is created inside of the meditation, it makes
the manifestations one, so much more clear because a lot of people’s big block to manifesting is
that they don’t know what they want.

Kate Northrup: Oh, that’s the number one thing.

Emily Fletcher: I don’t know how much money

Kate Northrup: No, I because we’re so conditioned out of wanting what we want. I mean, I think
about this with my daughters, they’re eight and 10, and I’m really practicing affirming It their
doesn’t mean I’m going to give it to them immediately, but I’m always saying, you get to want
that. Yes. You get to yeah. You could do that someday.

We’re not gonna do it right now. Put it on a list. Let’s take a picture of it. Let’s write it down. Let’s
research that.

Tell me more about. Because we shut we get so shut down by fear paradigms

Emily Fletcher: Yes.

Kate Northrup: And the fear paradigms of our parents. Right? Their lack and scarcity and,

Emily Fletcher: oh

Kate Northrup: my gosh, what if my kid wants so much, and then they go out in the world and
they’re disappointed? Let me protect their heart Yeah. By shutting it down when they’re little.
Right? Mean, I think essentially that’s one of the big threads.

There’s a million different threads. That’s one of them. Right? And so you’re so right. Number
one, people don’t know what they want.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah.

Kate Northrup: So how does your method solve that problem?

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. So a lot of people say that prayer is talking to God and meditation is
listening. And so the meditation actually allows you to listen to your higher self, it gives you
space and time and the connection point, it’s like you’re putting the laptop onto WiFi. You’re
taking the left brain of individuality and connecting it to the right brain of the collective
consciousness of All That Is. And so if you feel like you don’t know what you want, well now you
have a tool by which to listen, to actually listen to how nature wants to use you.

And again, I believe that the desires are divinely inspired. But a lot of people don’t trust their
desires either because they were shut down by their parents trying to protect them or they’re
actually afraid that it is an addictive longing or I think there’s also another layer of that around
like sexual shame. So if people don’t know what they want in their physical bodies or don’t know
what delights them physically then it’s hard for them to even know what they want for lunch.

Kate Northrup: And then we’ve also been talked out of our own satisfaction and fulfillment
because especially for people socialized as women, we’ve been shown, told that having our
own fulfillment is selfish and that we’ve been of service and that our own fulfillment is not
valuable.

Emily Fletcher: And especially for women. I mean, Glennon Doyle writes about this in Untamed
where she says that she watched her children, she has sons and daughters, and she went
upstairs and said she asked them all, like a whole group of kids, hey, is anyone hungry? And
she watched as all of the boys just said yes, didn’t look up from their video game, and all the
girls looked up to see what everyone else was going to say. Like, are we am I hungry? Let me
ask someone else.

Out from the collective. If I’m hungry

Kate Northrup: Which is simultaneously a superpower and so shadowed at the same time.

Emily Fletcher: It a super superpower?

Kate Northrup: Because we could not possibly know how much of that is conditioned and how
much of that is is innate.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah.

Kate Northrup: But women in general now, obviously, if I’m answering a question about myself,
I need to be able to go within and ask that answer that question. However, the part of many
women that does check-in with the collective is beautiful. It’s why more money in the hands of
women makes the world a better place. Because our conscientiousness naturally goes beyond
the confines of our own bodies. We are holding the

Emily Fletcher: goodness of the collective in our hearts.

Kate Northrup: We know that there is no such thing as Individual success There’s not. Or
individual wealth. Obviously, when it comes to you needing to feed your own body, you do need
to know if you’re hungry or not. So that’s sort of like I was mixing examples there, but I, you
know, I just wanna put that out there that part of what you’re talking about in manifesting is the
part of us that gets what we want. But when we are doing it using the practices that you teach in
the framework that you teach, what we want automatically is contributing to the betterment of
the whole, and that’s a a drum you beat all the time.

A lot of manifestation teachers really focus on the material, really focus on, like, get the bag, get
the car, get the house, get the amount of money you want. Sure. Fine. However, at the end of
the day Mhmm. The question that you asked us the first morning in Egypt at the Philae Temple
at the gate of the Temple Of Isis was, what is your dream for the planet, and what is the thing
that you are here to contribute to that collective dream?

And that is, to me, a much more powerful question because if we connect our desires to the
collective need, to collective upliftment, our desires are gonna be even better than if we were
just like,

Emily Fletcher: what do I wanna put on my birthday

Kate Northrup: Cool. I don’t know. I mean

Emily Fletcher: And bags don’t do it for me, but yeah.

Kate Northrup: Yeah. I’m still on the fence about it. Don’t know.

Emily Fletcher: I don’t judge people that like them. It’s just not my not my jam. But but I but
thank you for naming that.

Kate Northrup: But but I think For me, it’s expensive health equipment. Right.

Emily Fletcher: This is like all hydrogen

Kate Northrup: the hydrogen and water, all the the PMF, all the things. Anyway But

Emily Fletcher: the But Because I think you know I think I think that is proving the point. That
that is a legit Kate Northrup desire. You wanna have all the biohacking equipment, all the stuff,
and the better your consciousness is, the better your body is, the more tuned this instrument is,
the more you are going to be helping put money into the hands of conscious people and
conscious women. When I feel better and

Kate Northrup: everyone gets the best of it.

Emily Fletcher: Your your family is better, your kids are better, and and that’s sort of the the
premise of this. Like, I’m absolutely interested in people manifesting their love and their Oh,
yeah. Money and their businesses. And and it’s like we have to get our needs met first. Right?
Like basic needs met, yes. Proving to yourself that manifestation is real. Great. You can
manifest a raspberry lime spindrift. Awesome.

Okay. Now once you believe that that is real, let’s now work on heaven on earth. Yeah. Right.

What is your version of planetary paradise?

Emily Fletcher: What does your vision of heaven on earth look like? And Kate Northrup can’t
be in heaven on earth in her own little world while the rest of the world is suffering. And
conversely, like, it it one cannot happen without the other. Heaven on earth really does include
all of us. Like, let’s together imagine, like what would heaven on earth feel like?
Because I fundamentally believe that what we put our attention on grows and we can continue
to worship the worries or we can start to water the flowers. We can water the weeds or water the
flowers. And if we collectively start thinking about dreaming about innovating about thinking
what is possible, like what if everyone had enough? What if everyone had plenty? What if there
was more money in the hands of conscious women?

What if we did have 8,000,000,000 people waking up and meditating in the mornings? What if
8,000,000,000 people didn’t have shame around their pleasures and understood that they could
use all of their life force and internal pharmacology to manifest their dreams? Like I really
believe that we would be living in a wildly different human experience. I believe our relationship
with the planet would be different. And that is a reality that I think is very achievable.
We don’t need some new technology. We don’t need aliens to come in and save us. We don’t
need AI to come in and save us. We actually have the technology inside of our brains and
bodies right here, right now.

Kate Northrup: We do. And our dear friend, our mutual dear friend Natalie McNeil has been
talking recently about parallel economies and how well documented it is that in times of great
change, when we invest in following the call of our dream for the collective and acting in that
way right now, it manifests that dream. Right? So when we begin to invest in systems that are
actually supporting collective healing, regenerative practices. Like, right, we shop at our local
farmer’s market instead of doing everything at Whole Foods.

Doesn’t even need to be a a huge amount of our purchases, but, like, do more by all means.
When we do that, that manifests the dream. Does that make sense what I’m trying to say? Like,
there’s a way that I think that people, and myself included sometimes, can sit around waiting for
the dream to manifest instead of understanding that the way we manifest the dream is by acting
in the direction of it right now. Like, manifesting isn’t magic.

Somebody dreamed up this lamp, and then they built it. Right? So that was the unmanifest, and
then they built a prototype, and then they had it manufactured. And and obviously, there’s a
magic element. There’s a lot of magic.

There’s a lot that we couldn’t account for in a project plan or a, like, now here’s the 25 steps to
make this lamp possible. Right? Mhmm. But I’m curious if you can talk a little bit about the way
in which some people think that manifesting is actually just magical thinking

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm.

Kate Northrup: And what it actually is in your understanding.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. And I mean, this is coming from a woman who has a course called Ziva
Magic. Yeah. And it’s it’s a And you little know I love

Kate Northrup: magic. Me too. Yeah.

Emily Fletcher: But and then I say, like, on day one of the free training, I’m like, it’s actually not
magic. It’s not magic. You know what I’m talking about? All the history, all the science, but it
feels like magic. Yeah.

Because even today, I actually woke up this morning and one of my prayers because really what
you’re doing is you’re changing your lens of perception. You are shifting not only your
electromagnetic field, but you’re also changing your recency and your confirmation bias, which
changes the filter through which you are observing reality. And we know from the double slit
experiment, which is a quantum physical experiment, that all all matter exists in multiple places
simultaneously until it is observed. And once you observe a particle, then it is fixed, but it is not
fixed in space and time until it is observed, which suggests that the state of consciousness or
the energetics of the observer are directly related to the particle itself. And so when you pray,
when you meditate, when you do in pleasure practices and you change your state, your bliss,
your electromagnetic field, you are changing the state of consciousness of you the observer,
which cannot help but impact then what you are observing.

And we talk about this in the Vedas. It’s the knower, the knowing and the known. In Sanskrit it
would be Rishi, Devata and Chandas. It’s the seer, the seen and like what is being seen. So it’s
why it feels like magic is it because you are quite literally bending reality.

You are shifting the field through the energetics of your field. And a simple example, this
morning I had a very light easy prayer where I was just thought like I wanna see how much fun I
can have getting my needs met because this is a new practice for me because I’m very my
wounding is like self sufficiency and vigilance and I have to do it all myself and I’ll be CEO and a
single mom and I’ll be single and just do it all myself. This is something I’ve really been working
on is like healing that wounding. It’s also by the way why I think manifesting is such an
extraordinarily advanced spiritual curriculum because I think that your desires are uniquely
yours and is your wounding that’s keeping you from it. So it’s like baked in this amazing
personalized curriculum.

And so for me, one of my manifesting curriculums has been healing the wounding that I have to
do it all alone. So I’ve been playing with this theme song of I’m having so much fun getting my
needs met. I’m having so much fun getting my needs met. And it was just a simple prayer as I
was doing my makeup. And then today in your home and going to our friend Jessica’s Viges for
her podcast, I called Ubers and you’re like, you know what, honey?

Just cancel your Uber. Take my car. And then your sweet house manager was like, oh, here’s a
pot to do your soup. And then Mike brought me raspberry lime spindrift. And oh, and then
another friend was like, hey, Emily.

I’ve built this world changing app. Do you want to test it out on your Ziva community for free?

Like, yeah, I do. And I have these like so it’s just, it’s a simple change, but just shifting the
filtration device in your brain changes what you see. And so that’s why it feels like magic but
there’s so many different layers including the reticular activating system, including the quantum
field, including the electromagnetic field of your heart that when you start to understand these
and play with them with intentionality, you do start to shift reality in a way that feels like magic
but it is not just magical thinking.

Correct. Did I answer the question? Yeah. Okay. It was great.

Kate Northrup: Was really great. When I taught, a manifesting money date so we have a
money and manifesting money date in Relaxed Money. And when I taught it, I asked people,
you know, however many hundreds of people were there, what is manifesting? I was amazed by
the number of people who put in the chat magical thinking. And so I wanted you to address that
because there are

Emily Fletcher: Meaning that they didn’t believe in it.

Kate Northrup: I think there was some level. Now anyone who’s in relaxed money on some
level is probably gonna be at least having leaving their door ajar for magic and that which we
cannot explain. Yeah. But there’s gonna be some yeah. There was some skepticism,

Emily Fletcher: which

Kate Northrup: I appreciate. I love a good skeptic as long as they remain open, you know? And
that’s where you’re just talking about when we change our perception, when we remain open,
we actually do change not only what’s possible for us to experience, but what is manifest in the
world. And we do repel or attract that which is a match or not a match for how we are being
according to how we are being. So if you’re being a skeptic and like a Judge Judy all the time,
you will only Xerox opportunities to be proven your reality.

Emily Fletcher: Yep.

Kate Northrup: And have fun with that.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. I mean, there’s a quote of like

Kate Northrup: I think it’s Einstein. Do you wanna suffer? Suffer.

Emily Fletcher: Einstein says you can either choose to believe that nothing is a miracle or
everything is, and, like, I choose everything.

Kate Northrup: Correct.

Emily Fletcher: And like even if meditation is like placebo, I’m like I’m just talking about your
brain. So if your sleep is getting better and your sex is getting better and you’re making more
money and you’re healthier and you’re not getting sick, then

Kate Northrup: who doesn’t mean it’s not working. Right. Placebo is a scientifically proven
mechanism

Emily Fletcher: It’s working without the medicine.

Kate Northrup: Correct. For the fact that our intention changes our physiology. To me, we
shouldn’t be throwing that out as like, oh, it’s just the placebo effect. We should be studying how
do I implement the placebo effect, which is essentially Yes. Your Correct.
Here’s the instruction manual,

Emily Fletcher: my friend. I gotta force it. That shit works. I mean, speaking of, like, I would just
like to brag on both of us. Right.

Emily Fletcher: I feel like we’ve both manifested so much in using these these methods of, like,
with our own nervous systems Yeah. Accessing the unseen realms, shifting what is happening
in the seen realms. I mean, we’ve both had amazing multi 7 figure launches. We’ve both been
on pilgrimages around the world, like your dream home. I’m manifesting like, so the prayers that
we planted in Egypt on our trip, we did a Ziba magic ceremony at the Pyramids, planting the
prayers for doing ceremony at scale.

Exactly one year to the date, there is going to be 13,000 people doing ceremony at scale in
Egypt.

Kate Northrup: And how many of us were there when we planted that prayer?

Emily Fletcher: About 30. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And my dream of stadiums, I mean I had a dream
that was so absurd that people made fun of me and I kind of feel like an idiot saying it but I don’t
care.

It was like oh I have this dream, I have this vision of stadiums filled with people holding a vision
for planetary paradise and getting themselves into very high states of consciousness. Three
weeks ago, a guy, a friend of mine sent sent me texted me a photo of a stadium that he’s
building. He’s like, Emily, this is stadium that

Kate Northrup: he’s building.

Emily Fletcher: Here it is. And and it’s happening. Like, it’s happening.

Kate Northrup: You have to be delusional to change the world. I am delusional. You are, and I
love it.

Emily Fletcher: You’re totally delusional.

Kate Northrup: That’s the best. And and I yeah. I actually

Emily Fletcher: I thought that I was sort of, I don’t Can we talk about witches on here?

Kate Northrup: Of course. Okay. Great. Oh my gosh. Yes.
Great. That’s like Okay. Witch one zero one. So great.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. So I kinda thought that I was a new witch because like a lot of my friends
are very powerful witches and they have like deep witch wounds and there’s a lot of like fear
and protection and rightfully so. Like they actually have body memories of being burned at the
stake. I don’t have those. Like I don’t feel a lot of like people who think I’m brave or call me
brave, I don’t feel brave for the things that they think I’m brave for.

Those things don’t feel scary to me. What feels scary to me is, like, I don’t know, opening my
mail. Yeah. What and and having hard conversations conflict. There’s plenty of things I’m scared
about.

Kate Northrup: Of course. But not leading ceremonies in stadiums, like Right.

Emily Fletcher: Not scary

Kate Northrup: to me.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. So anyway, I thought that I was like a new witch because I didn’t have
those memories, but I just did a reading. I had a guy on my podcast named Lee Lee Harris. Do
you know him? No.

He channels 88 entities called the z’s. Love this.

Kate Northrup: I love this. Yes. And he was channeling for me, and

Emily Fletcher: he was actually died so many times. You’ve been burned at the stake so many
times for this work that you actually don’t care anymore.

Kate Northrup: And I was like, that somehow tracks. Because you know that in the end

Emily Fletcher: Here you are.

Kate Northrup: Here I am.

Emily Fletcher: Just you know what mean? Like eternal soul. I’m just gonna what am I gonna?
Not advocate for these tools? That’s so interesting.
Okay. So

Kate Northrup: as we kind of land this plane, which we could keep going for hours, and I’m
sure, you know, you’ll come back, Here’s what I feel called to ask you about. Feel free to pass.

Remember last time I saw you, we were in Sedona, and your back was really locked up?

Emily Fletcher: Yeah.

Kate Northrup: And you were in a lens of some degree of nihilism around the world about the
world. And it was an unusual place for Emily Fletcher to be. Yeah. You were really it was hard.
You were having a really hard

Emily Fletcher: Yeah.

Kate Northrup: Yeah. And you were feeling like, what’s the point of any of this?

Emily Fletcher: It wasn’t what’s the Okay.

Kate Northrup: Tell me what was going on. And I guess my question is, you are a very happy,
peppy, sparkly person, and the world loves that and, you know, fantastic. And nobody gets out
of being human. And I wanna know, you know, please describe this time you were in. What was
going on for you in your mind, in your body?

What was sort of some of the repetitive thinking? And in what ways were you able to move
through that using the very same tools that you offer the world? Yeah.

Emily Fletcher: So I don’t know that I went into nihilism, but I did have like a real, wake up call
and I think like a removing of the veil Mhmm. Of of seeing the depth and the reality of the
darkness and the dark forces at play, like, on the planet and beyond. And Egypt was a big part
of that. You know, like Egypt was there’s so there’s such a depth and complexity to the
energetics in Egypt that I went in very naive to because I have had a life of, like, mostly love and
light and magic and unicorns, and that is not to say I’ve not had adversity and challenges and
struggles and all of that. But energetically and in ceremony and through meditation, like I’ve
mostly been dealing in the realm of the light.

And I have not done a lot of like protection and all of that because I’m just sort of fundamentally
believe that I am protected and that I am safe and that’s kind of worked out. So Egypt was the
beginning of like really understanding like how many different forces are at play and the
complexities and the layers of energetics that are going on. And then you know going through I
know some people have been like awake to this for a long time, but I do feel like collectively in
the mass media and on social media, there was a bit of an awakening and a reckoning with how
much darkness is going on and The Epstein Files being just the tip of that very very very large
iceberg. And and I that was that was my first time that I had gone in there. And I went in and I
went deep and it was fucking heartbreaking.

And it still is. Like, I can just like immediately feel like the pain and the devastation of that. And
and I think I was just so I don’t know. I won’t call it a loss of innocence, but it was just it was just
grief. It was just like so much grief and sadness.

And and and in that grief and sadness, which is the role of the feminine to feel that, you know, to
feel it all the way and to not deny it, but to actually, like, go in and, like, feel the disgust and feel
the horror and feel the rage. And and then what I realized through going through it, was like,
wait. Emily, like, if anything, like, let this validate the work that you are doing. Because I realized
that, through all of the distortion and all of the darkness, the force itself is neutral. Meaning, like
what we’ve learned through this is that people are utilizing a force that is neutral to run the
world.

And just like our friend, don’t know if know doctor Lauren Tauss, but she’s an amazing doctor
and she’s a medicine woman and she says that the substances themselves are neutral and you
could do drugs to say hello or you can do drugs to say goodbye. But the MDMA, the ketamine,
ayahuasca, it’s not the substance that is good or bad. It’s not the substance that is creating the
addiction. It’s the intention with which you are using it. And if you are using substances to wake
up and to heal and to say hello to God and to yourself that is very different than saying goodbye
to the pain, goodbye to the problems, goodbye to reality which is an addiction.

And and I realized a very similar phenomenon with life force energy, with the most creative
magnetic force on the planet, which is sexual energy. And there’s so much distortion around it
on the planet. And then through this sort of mass revealing of the Epstein tragedies and and
atrocities, we’ve realized just how much the abuse of sexual energy is in fact running the world.
And it’s not just this one ring. It is as high up as politicians, royalty, the Vatican, the media, our
industries, our universities.

And so I was like, okay. Well, let this validate the knowing that you had in your body six years
ago that this life force is that powerful. And if it can create this version of hell on earth, then I
believe and I am committed to it also being used to create heaven on earth. Yeah. Yeah.

Kate Northrup: Well, just to light lighten it up a little.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. Like every time I’m in like a temple space or a ceremony space, like this
weekend I was with I had a retreat with five women, five menopausal women who were working
with medicine for the first time and sometimes working with pleasure for the first time. And the
amount of heaven on earth that I got to see these women experience in their bodies, the
amount of heaven on earth that was happening, sometimes even just with my friends in a
ceremony, I look around, I’m like, oh, like like how good can it get? And and the yes, thank you
more please. And then I think about the war and the devastation and the sexual abuse that is
happening on the planet,

Kate Northrup: and I’m like, wait, did you guys know that this is available?

Emily Fletcher: Did you know that actual heaven on earth is available right here, right now?
Like, do you maybe wanna try that? And and and it seems so simple, and it is simple, which but
it doesn’t mean that it’s easy, and it requires bravery, and more than anything, it requires safety.

Kate Northrup: What you said loops us back to my first question about high performance and
the two sides of the same coin, which is that I sort of think of it in terms of, you know, light is
light, but depending on what it’s shining through, it refracts or shifts the color or the direction or
the whatever. And so when we’re talking about the the lens either that we’re perceiving the world
through or our body as the conduit, as the conductor of a certain of energy. Energy is neutral.
Right? And then our bodies, our behavior, the lens through which we see and perceive the world
becomes the conduit for how that energy then manifests in the world.

Kate Northrup: What you said loops us back to my first question about high performance and
the two sides of the same coin, which is that I sort of think of it in terms of, you know, light is
light, but depending on what it’s shining through, it refracts or shifts the color or the direction or
the whatever. And so when we’re talking about the the lens either that we’re perceiving the world
through or our body as the conduit, as the conductor of a certain of energy. Energy is neutral.
Right? And then our bodies, our behavior, the lens through which we see and perceive the world
becomes the conduit for how that energy then manifests in the world.

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm.

Kate Northrup: To make our lives and the world more beautiful.

Emily Fletcher: Mhmm.

Kate Northrup: And I really wanna honor what it’s taken for you to create this body of work and
how brave it is, even though if it doesn’t feel brave. Because you are beautiful and wacky and
super out of the box, and you do it so unapologetically, and I find it incredibly inspiring, and you
have made my life so much better as a result. Can repeat something? Yeah. I I have two
questions.

Okay. One, in what ways do you think that I’m wacky? Yeah. And two, how how have I made
your life better? Count the ways.
Well,

Emily Fletcher: because, like, I just I’m in such a

Kate Northrup: echo chamber. Of course, you don’t experience yourself as wacky. Well, you do
hang with a pretty wacky crew.

Emily Fletcher: I know. That’s what I’m saying.

Kate Northrup: Like am adjacent to that crew.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. I’m in the middle.

Kate Northrup: But you’re right

Emily Fletcher: I’m in the epicenter.

Kate Northrup: In terms of the amount of exploring the edges of what is allowed and what is
possible in this human experience, whether it’s around sex or God or money or business models
or interplay in relationships, really, like, deeply unconventional and not following a script. And it’s
great. You know? And I think for some people, it could be like confronting when we are too
much in the script of how it’s supposed to look for other people to be comfortable. So I would
say that’s the wackiness.

Emily Fletcher: Okay. Is that Thank you.

Kate Northrup: Okay. Cool. I received it. It was

Emily Fletcher: the best high price.

Kate Northrup: And then, in terms of how you’ve changed my life, well, I think your audacity
helps me just turn up the volume on mine. You know? Permission to go bigger on listening to my
divine instructions. You know, that moment in Egypt at the Philae Temple was so profound. And
due to your unabashed listening to your own call and unabashedly inviting other people to feel
as good as possible, I have turned up the volume on that in my own life.

And I’m like, yeah. Why couldn’t I contribute to dreaming up a new economic system in which
everybody can experience having enough? Yes. Totally. Yes.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah.

Emily Fletcher: We need you.

Kate Northrup: You do that? Yes. Right? So that’s that’s a big that’s a big impact. Wow.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. Wow. So thank you. It’s my pleasure. Mhmm.

Emily Fletcher: It’s my pleasure.

Kate Northrup: Okay, Emily Fletcher. If somebody wants to connect, learn more, learn this
methodology, I know you actually are having an experience coming up Yeah. And I want people
to know about it. How might you invite them into this experience to to see your magic? Yes.
We’re Or the magic. I’ll just call it like the magic. Right? There’s a way you teach it, but it’s just
the way it is. It’s not like you invented it.

You created this particular methodology to tap into what already is.

Emily Fletcher: Yeah. You’re just tapping into the the infinite realm of potentiality. Yeah. But
we’re doing an event called Magic Maker and inspired by you. It’s three days.
It’s three days. And James Wedmore, thank you for introducing me to him as well. We’re gonna
do a three day free event, and we’re gonna go deep into when you access the field, you get
access to what you want. In order to manifest, you gotta go into the unmanifest. I’m gonna go
even deeper on the science and the history of these practices, and people actually get to taste
and to have an embodied experience of what this feels like.

And we’re gonna talk about all the other styles of meditation they’ve tried and failed at and why
they think they’re like all of that of, like, I can’t stop my mind from thinking. My brain is too busy. I
have ADHD. We’re gonna

Kate Northrup: take out the meditation

Emily Fletcher: gonna trash. Take out all this. And actually, that’s very much this is not gonna
be more to learn, more to do. This style of meditation and this this workshop, this three day
workshop is about removing the things that are not serving you because so many people are
wasting their time right now doing meditation things that don’t work or doing manifestation styles
that actually make them feel like more of a failure. And we are gonna go into the science and
the embodiment of both of these practices and why they’re better together and why these
particular styles of meditation and manifesting actually help you to get what you want.

And then there’s a beautiful invitation for people who wanna join me in the Ziva experience on
the other side, which is like, it’s like the it’s like my two most favorite programs put together
inside of a community and an experience. And part of my nihilism or whatever you wanna call it,
part of my backseize up that I was in was also some fear around AI that like, well, nobody wants
online trainings anymore, and my whole industry is dead, and blah blah blah. But but it’s not
true. And what people really want, and what I’m feeling so much is that people want community,
they want experiences, they want embodiment. Was like real transformation.

Real transformation. And like, god bless. Like, I’ve taught 250,000 people to do this for twenty
years. Like there is a level of precision and and there’s a there’s a power of the transmission of
the energies that are working through me now that is so humbling and so exciting. And and it’s
only getting bigger and brighter.

And that feels fun to, like, share that transmission with people, and they’ll get to be in the magic
not just for one day, but for a week and a half. So it’s gonna be like a mini container, this magic
maker. People will see transformations even inside of this event. And, yeah, I’m so excited
about it. I’m really, really enthusiastic about really merging the meditation and the manifesting
and the community in a way that we’ve never done before.

Kate Northrup: I wanna highlight that there’s plenty of people who’ve taken, like, a weekend
workshop, or, like, read a couple of books, and now they know a lot about marketing, so they
have become really well known for either teaching meditation or manifesting. Emily has
dedicated her life to these deep practices, not only learning them, practicing them, refining
them, teaching them to over 250,000 people. So this isn’t like

Emily Fletcher: A side hustle.

Kate Northrup: Yeah. I just I wanna I really wanna honor the depth. Yeah. I just wanna honor
the depth. Thank go to a place like this that has that level of scholarship and practice and
longevity.

You can go to katenorthrup.com/magic Yeah. And get yourself signed up.

Kate Northrup: Yeah. It’s gonna be so fun. I love you, Emily Fletcher.

Emily Fletcher: Thank you for having me here.